There was a story on AOL about a female bullfighter. Great now both sexes can get in on the toture and killing of animals for no reason other than entertainemt. For those of you of don't know it's never a fair fight. Not unless you think the fight between the "Spaniard" and the Emperor in "Gladiator" was a fair fight. Yes the bull is stabbed and/or drugged [b]BEFORE[b] the fight and even if the bull "wins" they will take in the back and kill it. It's fake like professional wrestling except much worse because a life is taken.

Totally agree. The waste of a magnificent animal's life for nothing more than entertainment.

And the "arena" lives on.

What a beneviolent species you're God created!

Rayven998 wrote: Totally agree. The waste of a magnificent animal's life for nothing more than entertainment. And the "arena" lives on. What a beneviolent species you're God created!

same here, wish all those bullfighter are killed then they'll find out what real pain is wish those bulls will kill all those bullfighters and eat there guts and heart and flesh and drink their blood.
but do these cops care about the bulls nope they just put em in the ring to be slaughtered
what a peace of

P.S.bullfighting is not a sport it should be illegal dammit just like those dog fights

samuraiwarrior41 wrote: Rayven998 wrote: Totally agree. The waste of a magnificent animal's life for nothing more than entertainment. And the "arena" lives on. What a beneviolent species you're God created! same here, wish all those bullfighter are killed then they'll find out what real pain is wish those bulls will kill all those bullfighters and eat there guts and heart and flesh and drink their blood. but do these cops care about the bulls nope they just put em in the ring to be slaughtered what a peace of P.S.bullfighting is not a sport it should be illegal dammit just like those dog fights

Yikes looks like I hit a nerve!
Oh and Buster you missed one!

Quote: What a beneviolent species you're God created!

And Satan corrupted. You can't forget we have free will. Some of us choose to be more beneviolent than others. I would go on but Lil C locked my last "theological discussion". And it is off-topic even if it is my thread.

While I don't endorse the wholesale murder of matadors I do wish the Latins would stop holding on to their precious "cultural heritage". As a white man their is a lot of my "cultural heritage" that i don't pactice as it is outright wrong an evil. I woul dwelcome a troll at this point since it seems unlikely to get an opposing view point. The only arguement I've seen other than the "cultural heritage" crap is "Eating meat is just as bad. So if you want to stop bullfighting becasue it tortures and kills animals than yoy should stop eating meat too.

Actually it looks like he re-edited it. Putting back in language after I edit it out...yeah, that's not gonna work.

Instead of having the matadors stab the bulls, they should strap the knives to the bulls' horns and then see if the matadors can survive for x minutes.

I am assuming we all have played and beaten Psychonauts.

If bullfighting was just like that one boss battle in the game, where you side with the bull itself then it'll either be the most popular sport in the world, or one of the most deadly ones.

Or both.

Either way, it's still animal cruelty.

What does religion have to do with it? Religion has more bloodsport in its history than anything else!

I eat meat. Is that the issue or the stabbing part?

I think it's the stabbing. Killing to eat isn't the same as killing for sport.

i think this is a tough one for me. as someone else said i eat meat as well. and if you've ever seen a slaughterhouse they are not that humane. nor really, is how the cows are treated prior. but i think bull fighting is inherently worse. repeatedly stabbing a dumb, if powerful animal is not sport to me.

Dodger661 wrote: i think this is a tough one for me. as someone else said i eat meat as well. and if you've ever seen a slaughterhouse they are not that humane. nor really, is how the cows are treated prior. but i think bull fighting is inherently worse. repeatedly stabbing a dumb, if powerful animal is not sport to me.

There are humane ways to kill an animal. Some slaughter houses are more humane than others. You can always by organic meat from free-range raised cattle but of course that would more expensive than anything you could buy at Mc Donolds. I just think that mayb if people stopped seeing animals as entertainment whose lives are worthless and expendable than maybe more people would be more conscentious of where their meat comes from.

Deathknight928 wrote: Dodger661 wrote: i think this is a tough one for me. as someone else said i eat meat as well. and if you've ever seen a slaughterhouse they are not that humane. nor really, is how the cows are treated prior. but i think bull fighting is inherently worse. repeatedly stabbing a dumb, if powerful animal is not sport to me. There are humane ways to kill an animal. Some slaughter houses are more humane than others. You can always by organic meat from free-range raised cattle but of course that would more expensive than anything you could buy at Mc Donolds. I just think that mayb if people stopped seeing animals as entertainment whose lives are worthless and expendable than maybe more people would be more conscentious of where their meat comes from.

You rarely see the well treated, humanely killed animals on the news. The terrible places where animals are abused are what is put on TV. Most farmers take care of their animals, most people don't want them to suffer even if they are just going to be food. I've worked on two farms during my life, one from my mother's side of the family and from my step-father's side (the second one was small and did most of the work just for our own eating). Killed chickens, cows, pigs and prepared them. They weren't abused, they weren't shackled down or anything like that.

I just want people to know its not all horrible and disgusting, beyond the fact it is a bloody affair to actually prepare an animal yourself. The huge corporation run farms/slaughter houses might be, since they strictly want as much meat as possible, I agree there and that treatment should be stopped.

Same as cock fighting, dog fighting, bull fighting, etc. I wouldn't be adverse to actual gladiators if people need a blood fix, if the two idiots in the ring were there by choice, let them kill each other. Just not a fair fight against wounded/drugged animals.

Dreammosaic is right about farms. My grandfather raises Cattle, and their treated very well. They seem pretty content. When they see my grandfathers truck they all come running because they know he has some sort of treat for them. They react to cornstalks the way a pet dog reacts to Beggin Strips.

MobiusArcher wrote: Dreammosaic is right about farms. My grandfather raises Cattle, and their treated very well. They seem pretty content. When they see my grandfathers truck they all come running because they know he has some sort of treat for them. They react to cornstalks the way a pet dog reacts to Beggin Strips.

The problem is doing what is right is almost never doig what is most profitable. Inhumane treatement of cattle is just another example of free captalism run amok. I wish all the best luck for those like the above mentioned farmers that are willing to treat their animals well even if it costs them profit.

Deathknight928 wrote: The problem is doing what is right is almost never doing what is most profitable.

actually happy cows make better beef which can bring better sales.Kobe beef is the best example of this.
it's just to bad that big corporations are only interested in a quick and dirty profit.

Dreammosaic wrote: .

Same as cock fighting, dog fighting, bull fighting, etc. I wouldn't be adverse to actual gladiators if people need a blood fix, if the two idiots in the ring were there by choice, let them kill each other. Just not a fair fight against wounded/drugged animals.[/quote]

Lemme get this straight, your against animal fighting in it's many forms, BUT your ok with 2 humans killing each other in a arena? I think i just threw up a little in my mouth...

I understand the animals don't have a choice per say, but that analogy is pretty fubar if yah ask me.

CanofWorms wrote: I am assuming we all have played and beaten Psychonauts. If bullfighting was just like that one boss battle in the game, where you side with the bull itself then it'll either be the most popular sport in the world, or one of the most deadly ones. Or both. Either way, it's still animal cruelty.

nope i have't played psychonauts.

Nightgaunt1971 wrote: Dreammosaic wrote: . Same as cock fighting, dog fighting, bull fighting, etc. I wouldn't be adverse to actual gladiators if people need a blood fix, if the two idiots in the ring were there by choice, let them kill each other. Just not a fair fight against wounded/drugged animals.

Lemme get this straight, your against animal fighting in it's many forms, BUT your ok with 2 humans killing each other in a arena? I think i just threw up a little in my mouth...

I understand the animals don't have a choice per say, but that analogy is pretty fubar if yah ask me.[/quote]

As long as the participants were there of their own free will, why not? Not saying I would watch that, or let my children watch that. I don't watch boxing either. Hell, boxing is all about beating the crap out of someone else to the point they are unable to stay standing or they give up. People have died in the ring there and its still legal. If what I found online is accurate, over 1,500 people since 1997 have died in a boxing ring. The only difference is technically, the boxers are only meant to try and knock the other person out. Lets face it though, smashing someone in the face as hard and as often as you can would be assault or attempted murder if they were standing outside the ring. The boxers are there by choice though.

Personally, I don't understand the desire to sit and watch boxing/MMA fights. I can play the most violent games and watch the worst violence in movies, but when it comes to real life stuff it is a complete turn off.

The bulls, chickens, dogs, etc aren't there by choice. Huge difference. Sadly, there will probably always be a market for animal fighting.

This post was made while sleep deprived and dealing with a cranky 2 year old who has strep throat. If it didn't make sense, it is the kids fault.

Dreammosaic wrote: Nightgaunt1971 wrote: Same as cock fighting, dog fighting, bull fighting, etc. I wouldn't be adverse to actual gladiators if people need a blood fix, if the two idiots in the ring were there by choice, let them kill each other. Just not a fair fight against wounded/drugged animals. Lemme get this straight, your against animal fighting in it's many forms, BUT your ok with 2 humans killing each other in a arena? I think i just threw up a little in my mouth....

i'm ok with 2 humans beating each other up, but not animals when i see an animal abused or beaten up by another animal just for people to make big bucks news flash guys if you wanna make big money get a job, also it makes me wanna cry and hurt that human really bad.
another thing it makes me so mad that when people abuse or make their pets fight to the death that they just go to jail for a couple of years when they should go to jail for life thats like getting a slap on the wrist.