You had something perfect with the client. If there aren't major improvements soon I'm just gonna cancel my account. I've been patient and had good faith you guys would do something, but it's taking way too long and let's face it: I didn't pay to wait.

Also that my be up there, because every time a new driver gets released olderish games like this have a % chance of stopping working again.[/quote]

Well if they dont work a STRONG majority of the time why are they on the site as being offered? Can you imagine what this site would be if instead of desktop and browser it was WE KNOW IT WILL WORK and MAY NOT WORK with your system. Not a lot of new sign ups me thinks.

Even if the whole browser thing worked perfectly and every page loaded instantly and games downloaded quickly and worked right off every time. It's still just crappy looking and more awkward to use then the old way. Should have just kept both or something. That way everybody is happy. Should have at the very least made both available until the bugs were worked out.

Like someone else mentioned flipping through the games was great. It was kinda funa nd a description was like a second away and then if it sounded good you could click to download it and immediately move on to browsing more games and if it sounded bad you could also immediately move on. It was smooth and fast and easy and looked good. Really it's the main reason i joined aside from the games available. It was really about perfect.

My account is up in december. I don't think i've successfully played a single game since the browser thing. If there's not at the very least significant improvement by then and also if the vista 64 thing hasn't been fixed because my wife has vista 64 then we'll be canceling. It's at a point now where it's pretty much useless to me.

LittlestCthulhu wrote: The player is indeed gone for good.

Then so am I.

Having given this browser interface a good amount of time to finally work well, I am asking to please bring back the old player. It worked so nice and never had many problems. This thing doesn't work more often than it does work. A game will work one day and not the next, or some games have never worked in this environment when they used to all the time. Some of the children's games, we have downloaded multiple times and they never work at all. I have been a member almost from the very beginning, and am not very happy now.

Quote: Having given this browser interface a good amount of time to finally work well, I am asking to please bring back the old player.

Trust me, it's not going to happen no matter how much you beg.

What sux is even if everyone starts dropping out they won't change...gametaap clearly isn't interested in what we want. We've been complaining about this switch for quite some time, and it's actually become more difficult to get in contact with the people that can change it. Odd, big businesses with anti-customer service are usually the enemy of the gaming crowd; no sure why we're sticking around and giving them our money. I think I'll have to drop out when my year is up. Sad, I'm still getting the $60/year deal, and even at that, it's not worth it to have to go through the browser client. Sorry gametap, I really really tried to get on board with this, but I rarely use my account now because you changed the UI. It's one of the worst user experiences I've ever encountered. Give me a client before December, and I'll stick with you.

brokenidol wrote: Give me a client before December, and I'll stick with you.

I wish you luck with that. I've been reading some of the other forum posts, and i get the feeling that there will never be a new client. Either way, I'm not leaving GT. Call me stupid sure, but i've been around for a long time in the shadows. IDC if they release a client, and i can wait for their 64 support. Until then, stop whining (as someone's avatar says, i forgot who), leave if you don't like it.

eagleflies14 wrote: Until then, stop whining (as someone's avatar says, i forgot who), leave if you don't like it.

Hmm...you're essentially emerging out of the shadows to whine about me whining. If no one whines, then there's no hope for change; and so many are requesting change. You're essentially saying, "Pay the money and accept what you get, don't request changes, don't give ultimatums, just deal with it." Sorry, not gonna happen! It's not what's best for me, and it's not what's best for Gametap. They need to know that their change has damaged the user experience. They need to know that they're here to serve us and we should have a say in how they mold our experience. Gametap, at any given time you've got 700+ people online, there are more than 10,000 times that many people playing COD WAW on XBOX 360 right now, and that's one game. You've got potential, you could dominate the on-demand gaming market, but you need to get you're act together. Cater to your base, and we'll be loyal. Give us what we want, and we'll give you our hard earned dollars. Give us an iPhone app for the classics. Consider a budget set-top unit that can push the higher end stuff, or build a client for a console. Give us back the desktop client. Get innovative, not obsolete!

game_king_2j2 wrote: TO put it bluntly Gametap's *** I can't get a single game to work... and now I'm paying to see adertisments? I'm a tad bit pissed

Seriously...about the ads anyway

I dunno...I've been around since near the beginning...on and off anyway (funds...not alot) and I still like playin all these games for mad cheap I aint goin nowhere, unless you REALLY break it

this new gametap is crap, ok? its as simple as that

downloads dont work half the time for me, they lock up, or take forever, or get to 98% than freeze, i refresh the window, and find its back to 0%, get mad at gametap and decided to play some call of duty 5 -.-

now if ur not bringing back the old player, make a new one or something, see uve FORCED ur paying customers into this BETA

beta means unfinished or in production or something last i knew, so give ppl the option to try it, dont force them to...

(to put it blunty (whoever decided to do this either is an idiot or was forced to at gun point))

Okay. I'm a n00b here. And to be frank, all over the Internet I'd seen ads and videos, etc. for the Gametap application, I'd been thinking about using it, and this very day where I thought, okay, I'm going to go give it a try, I come and I see a dodgy new web based browser system. To be quite honest. It's bad. Really bad.

I think it seems to be an oncoming phrase. Why take all the good games, like Battlefield, Quake and now Gametap, and make new shoddy browser based versions that suck! (Quake Live, Battlefield Heroes, Gametap Beta)

Just my two cents.

Well, I had the client deleted on my box for awhile, but had a desire for some retro gaming...

I come back to find both the client and the Mac support are officially dead. Well, that's one more subscription they've lost.

ummm don't suppose anyone has seen the "favorites" list displayed somewhere yet? It's definitely storing the data somewhere, adding a game makes that game page say "delete from favorites"...

I'm a long time Web/Apps Dev and understand the monetary & development reasons behind switching to browser-based plugin, however, still missing the old app & it's features/compatibility...

DefTest wrote: I'm a long time Web/Apps Dev and understand the monetary & development reasons behind switching to browser-based plugin, however, still missing the old app & it's features/compatibility...

I'm a long time interactive developer and think the monetary savings and simplified development is debatable in this case. If I were employed as a consultant or leading the dev team, I'd definitely stray from a browser based UX. That said, if I had to deploy it via the browser I'd have chosen the Flash runtime. At least then I could quickly release an AIR app in the event it was an absolute failure (as it is), as well as mimic the previous client behaviors in a controlled environment.

We've investigated and experimented with Flash in the past. Unfortunately Flash isn't fast enough to provide accurate emulation. For example: http://www.dotemu.com/sf2/, and that's a fairly modest Sega Genesis game. 1 to 1 emulation is something that GameTap always striven for.

LittlestCthulhu wrote: We've investigated and experimented with Flash in the past. Unfortunately Flash isn't fast enough to provide accurate emulation. For example: http://www.dotemu.com/sf2/, and that's a fairly modest Sega Genesis game. 1 to 1 emulation is something that GameTap always striven for.

I apologize for not clarifying; I wasn't suggesting you actually run games in Flash. My suggestion is that you use Flash to build the client and run the games using your own emulation software. If the whole purpose of this change was to force play from the server, lock that down to the classics. Essentially, the browser client would launch all the classics from the server, and the AIR application would do the same but have the additional ability to launch executables (desktop games). Allow me to launch all titles in fullscreen from the AIR app and we're in business. Guys like me would exclusively use the AIR app while others could browse the site via Flash in fullscreen and without all the page refreshes. You'd definitely have to work out some of the logistics but this is a viable solution. Just to reiterate, I'm not complaining about the emulation, just the UX.

That's a fair point, but what's the point of going through all that hassle to solve a problem that could be quickly rectified by reverting back to the previous system that everyone preferred?

Freezeflamer wrote: That's a fair point, but what's the point of going through all that hassle to solve a problem that could be quickly rectified by reverting back to the previous system that everyone preferred?

I couldn't agree more, but so far nothing has lead me to believe they would ever consider going back

Just want to add my 2 cents.

The browser sucks, the player was very nice. Come December, I will be canceling my account.

Thanks for ruining a good thing.

It is still, very unfortunate that GameTap has removed their old player, but I don't think the bigwigs at the top of the corporation really give a damn what we say. At the end of the day, they're just there to make money.

It won't be long before either GameTap realises their error and corrects it, or most subscribers leave altogether, leaving only free users. Who wants to pay to play a game in a browser. A web browser. I don't.

This company really is disappointing me. I loved the old system and signed up to enjoy the games I used to play all the times.

After seeing the new browser I feel I am just paying for the same thing I can get at I-am-bored.com

But really. Unless things change I am out as well. the new browser system is to buggy and it is way below the standards i was used to in the old system.


A dire warning for gametap. Sony online entertainment did the same thing you are doing with there " Star wars galaxies " MMO where they ignore everyone and change there system anyways. What happened to them? everyone left and they have a very bad taint on there name now to the point where people will not play there new games due to there unforgivable mistakes.

Pinching pennies in the gaming world has proved hundreds of times to be the death of companies. People will only have faith for so long but as soon as another company comes out or there sub runs out they will jump ship. It has happened with multi million dollar companies and at this rate unless you guys stop putting your hands over your ears saying you will never get back the system you like. it will happen to you.

In this thread alone you look to lose over 300 subs by end of year and that's just the people being vocal about it.

Is your new browser system really worth losing so much for?

Guys, they had no choice. Turner dumped them as a service, Metaboli luckily picked them up and allowed them to live. If it wasn't for them, GT would not exist ok. I'm not sure (I'm not part of GameTap, so I have no insider knowledge) but i assume they'll so something about this "issue". Maybe a client sure. I would imagine if they did that, there'd be posts saying "It's good, but the old one was better", which leads to more angry players. I just can't see a client in the near future. I do, however, see 64 bit...

LittlestCthulhu wrote: We've investigated and experimented with Flash in the past. Unfortunately Flash isn't fast enough to provide accurate emulation. For example: http://www.dotemu.com/sf2/, and that's a fairly modest Sega Genesis game. 1 to 1 emulation is something that GameTap always striven for.

Blargh that lag is awful.