> {quote:title=Codeguru wrote:}{quote}
> I've seen colleges/public libraries where they have it set to lockout almost all plugins except the popular ones like flash and java and quicktime. If this is a unique plugin, there's a problem right there. How many subscribers attend college and/or use library computers? It's already a confirmed fact that this is NOT a flash embed...
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> Codeguru

If they are blocking plugins, why wouldn't they be blocking program installation as well?

> {quote:title=Freyar wrote:}{quote}
> >Account Lock Out actually begins 3/15/09 at 7:00PM EST, that will be the deadline for making account and profile changes, setting your custom controls, and converting save states. Turns out midnight in Paris is 7:00PM in Atlanta, who'd have thunk it?
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> Will the custom control settings come back eventually? I missed that somewhere. Boy do I feel like an idiot.

That was kind of covered up by the billing questions.

> {quote:title=LittlestCthulhu wrote:}{quote}
> > {quote:title=Codeguru wrote:}{quote}
> > I've seen colleges/public libraries where they have it set to lockout almost all plugins except the popular ones like flash and java and quicktime. If this is a unique plugin, there's a problem right there. How many subscribers attend college and/or use library computers? It's already a confirmed fact that this is NOT a flash embed...
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> > Codeguru
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> If they are blocking plugins, why wouldn't they be blocking program installation as well?
Indeed they do. I'm at my college library right now. You shouldn't be using the computers for that anyways. Computer access in public places is a privilege.

> {quote:title=Freyar wrote:}{quote}
> > {quote:title=Freyar wrote:}{quote}
> > >Account Lock Out actually begins 3/15/09 at 7:00PM EST, that will be the deadline for making account and profile changes, setting your custom controls, and converting save states. Turns out midnight in Paris is 7:00PM in Atlanta, who'd have thunk it?
> >
> > Will the custom control settings come back eventually? I missed that somewhere. Boy do I feel like an idiot.
>
> That was kind of covered up by the billing questions.

You're right I don't think it was addressed, there isn't an ETA on custom controls but it is something we want to return. Our current focus is on Fullscreen and Leaderboards.

I'd probably call those the top 2. Custom Controls as a 3.

> {quote:title=BetaWolf wrote:}{quote}
> Indeed they do. I'm at my college library right now. You shouldn't be using the computers for that anyways. Computer access in public places is a privilege.


That is a really bizarre statement.

It's really not. Public computers in a library in particular are not meant for gaming.

> {quote:title=Belial6 wrote:}{quote}
> > {quote:title=BetaWolf wrote:}{quote}
> > Indeed they do. I'm at my college library right now. You shouldn't be using the computers for that anyways. Computer access in public places is a privilege.
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>
> That is a really bizarre statement.

Seems reasonable to me.

When I was in college they had signs and messages all over the labs that certain labs (the busiest) were not to be used for gaming. PC access was always provided as a privilege, and our student handbook outlined that as well.

One could game in a lab, but you would have to reinstall each time, so people didn't normally do that unless it was a specific tournament set up in the lab (Doom/Quake)

Let's steer things back on topic, please. GameTap is not intended for public library use, either in the current or new versions.

Very cool that full screen and leaderboards are first on the list. I LOVE having leaderboards and leaderboard tournaments. I would like to see the full catalog of Intellivision, arcade and Atari games added. If I had my way, all the games that were applicable would have a leaderboard. It really expands the playability of the old games, even if it isn't for prize points or whatever. You guys are fun to compete with. Some places with leaderboards are full of people that kill the fun by getting a little TOO competitive. I mean, there was one kid on this flash board I used to frequent who literally spent 10 hrs a day trolling scores. That is lame IMO. Its not that I couldn't compete, but how many hours can you play flash games before losing your mind?!?!

I also would like to see the tourneys return quickly and with a furious vengeance!! I hope that the prize pt system will remain intact. It is understandable if free subscription time goes away, but I like the idea of earning prizes. The art books and t-shirts are particularly exciting, though as I've stated previously, nothing wrong with a good pint glass. IDK, its just cool to earn something.

Again, I find it refreshing that even with trinkets on the line, the level of smack talk and obvious behavior that takes away from the fun remains at a minimum here. Once reimplemented, hopefully you guys will have even more cool tourneys. The decathlon, though I missed the last one, sounds awesome and I really dig the concept of combo tourneys like Black Rubber this weekend. They're all awesome though. I love the lunchtime and Mondays as well.

As always, best of luck with the transition and good luck to the devs who are trying to make their own interface, that is very cool and makes me want to learn programming, though I am up to my ears in CompTIA at the moment...

And you college guys/gals--leave the gaming to your homes, don't blow your education, you are fortunate to have that opportunity!! :)

> {quote:title=macnbc wrote:}{quote}
> GameTap is not intended for public library use, either in the current or new versions.


Really? Is that in the GameTap TOS, or is that a new GameTap rule that you are instituting for them? Because if there is some bizarre list of places that we are not supposed to use GameTap, somebody from GameTap themselves should be letting us know. If GameTap has already posted this bizarre list that bans use in Libraries that encourage gaming, but encourages use in businesses that ban it, please link to it.

Intended=designed for in this case. Also the ToS's of many libraries cover this by saying that you cannot install software on their computers. I'm sure somewhere in the EULA buried away is the standard clause that "you cannot install this software on computers which you do not own or do not have permission to install software on." (I'd hazard to say that's in 99% of EULAs) Plus that's kinda just common sense.
Either way that's not really the point of this thread, since the original complain was "oh nos! Brower plugin, my public library won't let me install those." The point being, new/old/epic whatever verison of GT if you can't install it on the PC do to restrictions, GT really isn't at fault.

I have another question: Gametap on my computer is currently not installed on my c drive. Is that going to cause an issue?

> {quote:title=baron_calamity wrote:}{quote}
> I have another question: Gametap on my computer is currently not installed on my c drive. Is that going to cause an issue?

It should not cause a problem, however, the new version defaults to c: for storing newly downloaded games. This is easily changed and will have a knowledge base article with instructions.

So we have until Sunday to lock in the price? I'm highly considering it.

> {quote:title=Belial6 wrote:}{quote}
> > {quote:title=macnbc wrote:}{quote}
> > GameTap is not intended for public library use, either in the current or new versions.
>
> Really? Is that in the GameTap TOS, or is that a new GameTap rule that you are instituting for them? Because if there is some bizarre list of places that we are not supposed to use GameTap, somebody from GameTap themselves should be letting us know. If GameTap has already posted this bizarre list that bans use in Libraries that encourage gaming, but encourages use in businesses that ban it, please link to it.

Like Tsr said, my wording was that the service is not +intended+ for use on public library computers, which means that was not what it was designed to do.

But if you want to know GameTap official policy on the matter, I'll quote the EULA (with emphasis added):
>Subject to the terms and conditions of this Agreement, _GameTap, LLC. grants you the limited, personal, non-exclusive, non-transferable, revocable right and license to_ (i) access the www.gametap.com website, or other websites affiliated with the Service, to download the Client Application in accordance with the instructions provided and to view and interact with the Entertainment Content provided therein; (ii) _install and use the Client Application on your personal computer_ solely for the purpose of accessing and using the Service and the Entertainment Content

Now, once again, library use is not on-topic for this thread.

> {quote:title=Belial6 wrote:}{quote}
> > {quote:title=macnbc wrote:}{quote}
> > GameTap is not intended for public library use, either in the current or new versions.
>
>
> Really? Is that in the GameTap TOS, or is that a new GameTap rule that you are instituting for them? Because if there is some bizarre list of places that we are not supposed to use GameTap, somebody from GameTap themselves should be letting us know. If GameTap has already posted this bizarre list that bans use in Libraries that encourage gaming, but encourages use in businesses that ban it, please link to it.

These kinds of statements are why we get lengthy legalese on any sort of binding document. -_-

> {quote:title=Freyar wrote:}{quote}
> These kinds of statements are why we get lengthy legalese on any sort of binding document. -_-

Deferring to the library TOS would make more sense than saying folks aren't allowed/intended to game in odd places. I think the question came up because if all that's needed now is a login and a plugin, it may be tempting for folks to fire up pacman real quick away from home.

> {quote:title=macnbc wrote:}{quote}
> Like Tsr said, my wording was that the service is not +intended+ for use on public library computers, which means that was not what it was designed to do.
>
> But if you want to know GameTap official policy on the matter, I'll quote the EULA (with emphasis added):
> >Subject to the terms and conditions of this Agreement, _GameTap, LLC. grants you the limited, personal, non-exclusive, non-transferable, revocable right and license to_ (i) access the www.gametap.com website, or other websites affiliated with the Service, to download the Client Application in accordance with the instructions provided and to view and interact with the Entertainment Content provided therein; (ii) _install and use the Client Application on your personal computer_ solely for the purpose of accessing and using the Service and the Entertainment Content
>
> Now, once again, library use is not on-topic for this thread.

You are wrong. GameTap has been very clear that the web client was INTENDED to circumvent restriction on software installations. This sub-thread is about the fact that the web plugin fails to do the circumvention that it has been declared to accomplish. Right from the official gametap website:

>All Lunchtime Leaderboard games are playable, for free, right in your web browser, so that mean ol' boss of yours will never need to know what you're really working on every afternoon.

The first emphasis you made clearly means that you yourself have a right to use it and that you do not have the right to use it in a public or professional manner. e.g. You cannot rebroadcast the service, or rent it out to other people. It in no way indicates in any who's computer you are allowed to use it on for your own personal use.

The second emphasis is referring to the GameTap player when it says 'Client'. It is not referring to the web page. Also, when it says 'personal computer' it is using the generic term for a regular PC. If they had rules saying that you had to have a personal computer as in it is for your sole use, they would have kicked our leaderboard champions Icrediblue and Incredired off the service a long time ago, as they obviously don't each have their own 'personal' computer. They have a shared computer.

Your comment that library use is not on subject is ALSO wrong. With the current GameTap, use on equipment you do not personally own has been openly encourage, and there is nothing in the TOS restricting it. If that is changing with the 'New GameTap', then it is important for everyone to know that.

Finally, would someone on the GameTap staff please remove macnbc's moderator status. Having him spread inaccurate information is bad enough, but to argue a point and then finish his post with, a line telling the person he is arguing with that they should not respond is a massive abuse of the moderator position. If discussing this change in TOS that macnbc is claiming to be happening is a misuse of this thread, then you have a moderator that is misusing this thread because that is exactly what he has been doing, right up to his last post. If the alleged TOS change is not off topic, then you have a moderator who is abusing thier position to shut down other users from having a voice on the forum. You need moderators that either allow subjects or shut them down, not ones that abuse their moderator status by making inflammatory remarks, and then tell others that they shouldn't be responding.

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Stay on topic, stay on topic.

Since you are going to be rewriting the controller mapping anyway, could you please not restrict the mapping to a single controller per player? I have my Mame cabinet here that I would like to use for GameTap, but since one joystick is wired to one usb controller, the other joystick is wired to a second usb controller, and the coin slots/player start buttons are wired to a third controller, it makes it impossible to use it for many of the gametap games.

Thanks.

So you honestly think that it's GameTap's responsibility to find a workaround to systems that were implemented to prevent students and employees from slacking off?

This is off-topic. If you really want to discuss it, you should make your own thread about it.

I don't think it's been asked bluntly yet, and I didn't really see an answer in this threadnaught.

Are there any planned changed to prize point distribution (how many rewarded in each game), the type of games that offer prize points, or the quality/quantity of the prize offerings? Are they adding in new games or removing any? (I could do without radio arcadio).

I remember a comment about possibly bringing back the GT Closet of Mystery, but I was looking for more detail if possible.

GUD SPELLINGS!

Heh, where exactly are we getting around to "fault"? The whole point was a reason for the update being using it on multiple computers easier, which is NOT a problem if you have full access to both computers, since the client is 32megs. It IS a problem if you don't have full admin/user access to the computer. Therefore, if and when library computers are mentioned and a bunch defensive lashing out takes place, I rest my case. There is no reason for this update other than it's a scheduled update...

Codeguru

All that had to simply be said in the first place was that administrative rights are required to use Gametap plug-in, same as is required with the player. If the Library has a problem with it, let THEM deal with it.

I play gametap at work. It's not my computer, but I have admin. rights.

That comment about "intended" was pure asinine.