Well.....this does really suck. There goes alot of cool games...This is definitely on the top 5 of my list of messed up things that have happened since Metaboli took over Gametap. I don't recall who said it but yah it was nice to just "launch a game of Sonic every once in awhile" especially if your downloading a new huge GB game. I do hope Gametap that you figure out this issue with the swiftness. If all the NeoGeo games go like Metal Slug....that would be even worse.

Most of the games i play are capcom or sega. i might as wellc ancel my subscription.

edit: never mind ill keep it if street fighters stayin.

jac1002 wrote: {sarcasm}and i'm sooo sure Gametap will work hard to get them back just like they did with Midway games.ohh wait we still don't have them back if there aren't more classic games by the time my subscription runs out it's gonna by real hard for me to decide to re-up again. You have one year Gametap,impress me again.

hey man don't threten gametap like that what the hell was that about

samuraiwarrior41 wrote: hey man don't threten gametap like that what the hell was that about

I'm just saying i joined for the classic games,leaderboards,tournaments and the PC games where more of a bonus to me.but now tournaments and leaderboards are gone,and all the classic games are slowly going away with nothing to replace them.

I would hope that Gametap pays attention to what is said on the forums so i was voicing my displeasure with the situation so that they can know that at least some people think something is wrong and they might do something about it.

jac1002 wrote: I would hope that Gametap pays attention to what is said on the forums so i was voicing my displeasure with the situation so that they can know that at least some people think something is wrong and they might do something about it.

And what CAN they do? It's not like GT is willingly throwing these games away. If you want to be mad at someone, be mad at Sega and Capcom. They're the ones stopping GT from letting us play.

They can begin fix what has been broken.

I have stayed as GT has lost GTTV, Midway, URU, Sierra, multiplayer, leaderboards, playlists, the daily events page, and the freaking player. The forums are now like a desert with 1 active mod. Remember when we got 2 games a week, or indy games. And they actually told us ahead of time when they where coming?

So yeah, after a while, those of us who have been here a while get tired of seeing the dog get whipped. GT need to throw it's loyal customers a bone every once in a while. I, too, am about to jump ship. I will not put my money in a dying company.

If everyone does jump the bandwagon. Remember to stay in touch with each other.

Well, Capcom's COO just died, oddly enough

bhamilton wrote: I have stayed as GT has lost GTTV

That reminds me of how much I miss GTTV

bhamilton wrote: after a while, those of us who have been here a while get tired of seeing the dog get whipped. GT need to throw it's loyal customers a bone every once in a while. I, too, am about to jump ship. I will not put my money in a dying company.

arrrrr mayte for i control the seven seas arrrrrrrrrrr
well seriously now i thought about canceling cuz my devil side said yah man just cancel this gametap junk then my angel side said no no no no no you don't want to cancel gametap for no reason besides its the only cheap service there is so i said yahh and listened to my angel side.

I joined Gametap mainly for the PC RPG and strategy games, with an adventure and FPS thrown in every once and while. Until these games start leaving en masse, I'll probably stick around, as its definitely worth the investment. However I do enjoy the occasional arcade-y platformer a la Sonic; it will be sad to see them go.

There have been some ominous signs recently though:

-lack of new classic/arcade additions-loss of current catalogue. Culminating with this current loss of Capcom/Sega, this is kind of a big deal. Considering a good percentage of regular posters here on the forums are here for the classic games, it can only mean that a good percentage of premium members are also here for classic games. If Capcom/Sega's respective parent companies were either considering their own subscription based service or questioning Gametap's continued existence, what does this mean for Gametap? I'm not saying this is what is happening, but what other reasons can there be for Gametap losing these licenses?

-lack of offical Gametap representative community interaction. The two most active mods here on the forums lately are buster and tsrlblk2, admittedly volunteer mods. Pyetr, a Gametap employee (I think) mainly handles troubleshooting issues and lately has been introducing the new weekly game. LilC, THE Gametap community relations mod for about a year now, has been noticeably absent with no replacement. With no direct phone line and no other "official" Gametap mods present, what other method of communication is present with the company that as customers we are supporting is available?

-Download to own issues. See the STO debacle, among others. A company interested in it's own survival would've done some damage control in the public forums as well as addressing individual customer concerns. I can't comment on individual responses, because I didn't buy it from Gametap, but I haven't seen an official Gametap announcement on the STO issue yet.

I have a few more concerns, but I'm getting sick typing Gametap currently provides me with the games I'm interested in, and thus I will remain a premium member until it fails to do so. But I am concerned about Gametap as a whole.

Two things:
1) Using the forum posters to draw stats will open you to sample bias. I don't have any specific numbers, just caution you on trying to do that.
2) L'C is still around, just busy. If questions of an odd nature do pop up (i.e. those that fall outside the realm of business as usual tech support or issues already commented upon) we do pass them along.

As a classic gamer, I too am saddened with the impending loss of the Sega and Capcom titles from the catalog. I was *just* starting to explore the SMS and Genesis lineups here (Shadow Dancer & Shinobi 3 FTW).... and with Capcom gone, I will not have my 19XX fix anymore, and Exed Exes never worked right for me here anyway in the old desktop player and here on the site despite numerous tech support requests saying the issues were on my end... ANYWAY......... I am glad that they at least renewed their agreement with Atari and the SNK/Neo games look safe, and if it wasn't for the good PC games they have here, as well as my UT2k4 (I'm #1 in longest time spent there on GT) I'd be jumping ship as well. I've been a member since '07, and I too have seen a lot of the GOOD stuff gone, but have stuck through with them through it all.

And Jac1002, only a true Rush fan could recognize that signature. The final track on what was their most "controversial" album in terms of production quality, Vapor Trails.

tsrblke2 wrote: Two things: 1) Using the forum posters to draw stats will open you to sample bias. I don't have any specific numbers, just caution you on trying to do that. 2) L'C is still around, just busy. If questions of an odd nature do pop up (i.e. those that fall outside the realm of business as usual tech support or issues already commented upon) we do pass them along.

response to tsrblke2

1) Tsrblke2 is correct. My assumption that the percentage of regular forum posters that prefer classic gaming equals the percentage of members that are premium solely for classic gaming is most likely wildely inaccurate. However I do maintain that there is very likely a certain percentage (however small) of premium users who do use Gametap primarily for classic games.

2) Its good to hear that LilC is still around. I guess that the point of my second bullet was that it was reassuring to us Gametap faithful to receive a weekly update on Gametap. Especially when there are so many negative posts by users with bad experiences with Gametap, it's heartening to hear of progress towards goals (tray client, leaderboards, etc.) Call me sentimental, whatever. Its way past my bedtime. Goodnight

Ritsuka81 wrote: jac1002 wrote: And what CAN they do? It's not like GT is willingly throwing these games away. If you want to be mad at someone, be mad at Sega and Capcom. They're the ones stopping GT from letting us play.

I'm not blaming GT for losing these games,i am blaming them for not replacing them with other classic gamers if they can't get them back.

I am starting to get the sense that Metaboli management is at work here because Metaboli doesn't have classic games and now GT seems to just be letting it's classic catalog contracts just dry up till they are all gone.if this is the route they are going to take i wish they would just admit it instead of saying "We're working on it".and if this what they are doing they need to get a little more consistent at releasing quality PC games if they want my business.

This is, by far, the largest blow to GameTap to date. Most of the best games here are for the Genesis, and Sega is definitely their most important supporter, and Capcom is a major source of Arcade games... This completely overshadows the former loss of the Ultima series by a distance which I cannot even put into words.

But, when Warner pulled out, I suppose it was inevitable that Sega would too. But even so, this is not something that bodes well... We've mostly been getting cheap shooters lately, and it feels like GameTap as a whole is shifting to a largely casual gamer motif, which is really disappointing; I enjoyed the fact that I could actually play challenging games from ages past, as opposed to the simple "press 'A' and win" type games that are typically released for modern consoles.

But, all things tend toward entropy... Any service, no matter how good, is bound to decline eventually... I just didn't expect it to happen so fast.

bhamilton wrote: I have stayed as GT has lost GTTV, Midway, URU, Sierra

None of this is under Gametap's control. Gametap does not own the rights to these games. Unless there are some exceptions, Gametap does not own *any* of the games they offer. They have to pay the owners of those games in order to offer them. And I suspect many are becoming rather prohibitively expensive, which is why they can no longer offer them. $10 a month is *not* a lot of money. Look at how many games Gametap currently offers. Over 1000 I think it is? What if each of those games requires Gametap to pay $100 a month to offer them? That's over $100,000 a month. That would require over 10,000 subscribers at $10 a month to keep up on. And I somehow suspect that $100 month that I've admittedly pulled out of thin air is a rather conservative figure.

And don't think that Gametap should be able to give you specifics on the licensing agreements. The licensing agreements themselves most likely prohibit that. Most contracts of that nature usually contain some sort of confidentiality clause in them. Personally, I think all things of this nature should be public, but that's another topic for another forum.

MarioFanaticXV wrote: This is, by far, the largest blow to GameTap to date. Most of the best games here are for the Genesis, and Sega is definitely their most important supporter, and Capcom is a major source of Arcade games... This completely overshadows the former loss of the Ultima series by a distance which I cannot even put into words. But, when Warner pulled out, I suppose it was inevitable that Sega would too. But even so, this is not something that bodes well... We've mostly been getting cheap shooters lately, and it feels like GameTap as a whole is shifting to a largely casual gamer motif, which is really disappointing; I enjoyed the fact that I could actually play challenging games from ages past, as opposed to the simple "press 'A' and win" type games that are typically released for modern consoles. But, all things tend toward entropy... Any service, no matter how good, is bound to decline eventually... I just didn't expect it to happen so fast.

While I share your disappointment at the loss of the classic content, I don't think it's fair to describe games like Call of Duty 2 or Rainbow Six Vegas as "cheap shooters".

Horosco wrote: bhamilton wrote: I have stayed as GT has lost GTTV, Midway, URU, Sierra None of this is under Gametap's control. Gametap does not own the rights to these games.

Why would this make a difference to you? Seriously. That's not a jerk statement, I seriously want to know why. Should I keep supporting them because it's not their fault? Whether it is the staff of Gametap, Turner, Metaboli, or the Queen of Sheeba, it feels like GT is withering.
That number at the top keeps getting smaller. If it is wrong as someome suggested, maybe they should take it off, because it was at one time in the thousands.

Also, what if Gametap dropped the contract because it could no longer afford it, as you suggested as a possibility? Does that bode well for the future, or not?

Its funny to see these people who make post saying im take my money else where in hopes that more follow to see a company down fall. Look just stfu and do it dont come here barking and crying like little sissys. Im sure the next post will be i have my right to im paying blah blah blah.To them i say grow the F*** up. sure its hard to see some these great games go but if it displeases you then jump ship. I for one have not been around during the old GT days but looking at the quality of games that is coming and has come id say they are taking steps up not down.Sorry if im being a jerk to some or offend some but seriously look at it this way they have no control over other companys copy rights if they want to pull there name out i say they are the ones making a big mistake.In the gaming industery fan fair is one if not the biggest things cause without the fans they hit rock bottom.So please dont blame GT for these losses look to the companys that are pulling there titles out.

Let me ask you, what will it take for you to leave?

Edit: You know, nevermind that. In fact, that is enough for me to leave. Not whinning, just leaving. See ya'll. See ya Jac.

It seems silly to argue over the reason WHY these licenses are gone. The way I see it there are several possible reasons:

1) The publisher actively decided to pull the licenses to support their own upcoming distribution system, or a different distributing company, or any number of other reasons.

2) Gametap unwillingly lost the licenses due to financial problems.

3) Gametap willingly let the licenses go in an attempt to mirror their parent company Metaboli and focus on offering PC games while slowly phasing out classic gaming.

4) The licenses were pulled due to legal reasons and both sides are actively trying to get these licenses reinstated.

5) The Moon aligned with Jupiter and Uranus, and Nostradamus predicted the licenses would be lost, and his prediction is coming true. The Mayans might have had something to do with it as well....


The point is, we'll probably never find out why this happened, and does it matter if we do? We'll either get them back or not get them back.

Each user has to decide for themselves whether or not it's worth keeping a subscription. While $10 (or $7) a month is not exactly a high risk investment, if you decide that the loss of these games outweighs the benefits of keeping a premium subscription, so be it.

No one should be ridiculed because their reasons for keeping or discarding a premium membership are different than yours.

Anyways, enough with my longwinded, itemized rants. I've said enough on this topic. I'm wasting time here when I should be gaming

bhamilton im sorry if i did offend you it was not my intention.Im just trying to show people that its not at GT's fault.

i agree with you matty no matter the reason it happens. i for one am glad that they do even tell us it is happening some places would just do it and the user would find out upon the time they go to play.Anyways as stated before sorry if i offended anyone. game on guys & gals

wtf why!? the bulk of gametap is sega and capcom games. at least we still got snk

bhamilton wrote: Let me ask you, what will it take for you to leave? Edit: You know, nevermind that. In fact, that is enough for me to leave. Not whinning, just leaving. See ya'll. See ya Jac.

i was gonna say i'm never leaving.
on the other hand i'll miss you bhamilton send me an e-mail sometime.