Who owns GT now that they raped it into:
1) nothing works
2) 1 yr = 9 months
3) no refunds
4) shoved a BETA on subscribers (what a freaking JOKE!)

Is it Bill Gates or Ted Turner?

LivingDog wrote: Is it Bill Gates or Ted Turner?

I believe its Satan to be honest...

But yea this is a bit of an outrage, you don't force a beta on your subscribers that may or may not work and make them pay for it. A BETA is so that they can test something out before releasing it, while keeping the old content until the BETA is CONFRIMED to work.

I think everyone would be ok had they kept the client until this "BETA" wasn't a BETA anymore. However since then and due to so many problems, I think that since we have to pay for this crap, we should get SOMETHING. Something that actually makes up for all the problems.

Although, I admit, alot of people must have spoken with their lawyers about this...

This has been stated many many times in the forums since last fall. Ted Turner sold a majority of his shares to the French company Metaboli, who now is the majority shareholder. I guess you could blame Ted Turner for selling Gametap. He probably sold it because it wasn't making money. Metaboli just made it worse.

bryteco wrote: This has been stated many many times in the forums since last fall. Ted Turner sold a majority of his shares to the French company Metaboli, who now is the majority shareholder. I guess you could blame Ted Turner for selling Gametap. He probably sold it because it wasn't making money. Metaboli just made it worse.

Actually that was never stated, because Ted Turner has had absolutely nothing to do with Gametap. He stepped down as Vice Chairman of Time Warner in 2006 and doesn't have much to do with the company these days. Turner Broadcasting did own Gametap, but Ted Turner the person didn't.

Isaristh wrote: LivingDog wrote: Is it Bill Gates or Ted Turner? I believe its Satan to be honest... But yea this is a bit of an outrage, you don't force a beta on your subscribers that may or may not work and make them pay for it. A BETA is so that they can test something out before releasing it, while keeping the old content until the BETA is CONFRIMED to work. I think everyone would be ok had they kept the client until this "BETA" wasn't a BETA anymore. However since then and due to so many problems, I think that since we have to pay for this crap, we should get SOMETHING. Something that actually makes up for all the problems. Although, I admit, alot of people must have spoken with their lawyers about this...

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU! I was beginning to think I was the only one who saw this as an outrage - they didn't say "hey pay us for a beta - it won't work, you won't be able to play, but you'll be giving us your money!"

I suspect Bill Gates owns it b.c his OS's are still in BETA - AND WE'RE ALL PAYING FOR IT! LOLOLOLOL! 8)

macnbc wrote: bryteco wrote: This has been stated many many times in the forums since last fall. Ted Turner sold a majority of his shares to the French company Metaboli, who now is the majority shareholder. I guess you could blame Ted Turner for selling Gametap. He probably sold it because it wasn't making money. Metaboli just made it worse. Actually that was never stated, because Ted Turner has had absolutely nothing to do with Gametap. He stepped down as Vice Chairman of Time Warner in 2006 and doesn't have much to do with the company these days. Turner Broadcasting did own Gametap, but Ted Turner the person didn't.

TBC = TT they are one.

Man, GT is going to be nailed in the courts for this fraud.

From: http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=23114

Quote: French digital distro company and GameTap owner Metaboli saw revenues 120 percent in 2009's first quarter, and expects to grow over 100 percent for the rest of the year. The company, which allows people to pay a monthly fee for access to a multitude of PC games or buy titles outright, attributes its success to publishing partners such as Rockstar, Paradox and Epic Games – the latter of which signed a three-year deal for the Unreal back catalog earlier in the week. (cut) The company, which acquired a majority of Turner-owned North American digital download service GameTap in September 2008, is also in the process of relaunching that brand into a Metaboli technology-powered site.

So basically TT dropped us on ppl making a fast buck and left the workers in the dust to suffer the downfall - the captain jumped ship FIRST!

LivingDog wrote: Man, GT is going to be nailed in the courts for this fraud. From: http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=23114 Quote: French digital distro company and GameTap owner Metaboli saw revenues 120 percent in 2009's first quarter, and expects to grow over 100 percent for the rest of the year. The company, which allows people to pay a monthly fee for access to a multitude of PC games or buy titles outright, attributes its success to publishing partners such as Rockstar, Paradox and Epic Games – the latter of which signed a three-year deal for the Unreal back catalog earlier in the week. (cut) The company, which acquired a majority of Turner-owned North American digital download service GameTap in September 2008, is also in the process of relaunching that brand into a Metaboli technology-powered site.

What fraud?

I don't know how many ways to tell you this, but Ted Turner had nothing to do with this. When he sold Turner to Warner Bros he lost most control in it's day to day functioning. Then when he stepped down from his position at TWC in '06 (which was in the early days of GT anyway) he lost all control over anything.

tsrblke2 wrote: ...Then when he stepped down from his position at TWC in '06 (which was in the early days of GT anyway) he lost all control over anything.

Including his bodily functions. Cause he's OLD!

IIRC, he made some crazy statements in the last 18 months or so (nothing incredibly insane like "aliens landed in my yard" but just generally business crazy like "I'm going to buy GM stock!"*) So maybe he is lossing his mind:

*Conicidentally, I actually said that about 6 months ago, I figured the combined political force of the UAW and others would basically halt GM's bankrupcy (it was a calculated risk). I never did take it, in theory if I had gotten in when I thought about it, rode the short bump and gotten out, I could have made 4-5%...but I digress.

LivingDog wrote: Who owns GT now that they raped it into: 1) nothing works 2) 1 yr = 9 months 3) no refunds 4) shoved a BETA on subscribers (what a freaking JOKE!) Is it Bill Gates or Ted Turner?

do wut i did open a case wit bbb get these loosers such a bad rep they might get shut down

robin95821 wrote: do wut i did open a case wit bbb get these loosers such a bad rep they might get shut down

Or, you could just go away and not waste your time and effort on something you don't like. Gametap works fine for me. I think I'll tell that to the BBB. As if the BBB is worth anything. Did you even bother to check the BBB before getting GT? I didn't think so.

robin95821 wrote: LivingDog wrote: Who owns GT now that they raped it into: 1) nothing works 2) 1 yr = 9 months 3) no refunds 4) shoved a BETA on subscribers (what a freaking JOKE!) Is it Bill Gates or Ted Turner? do wut i did open a case wit bbb get these loosers such a bad rep they might get shut down

Hmm. Yes. Did you know that the BBB is in the US and Canada. Did you know that the owners of GT are not. The BB does not have any power to shut anyone down, but you probably meant that people would just stop subscribing to GT due to the rep on BBB....

macnbc wrote: bryteco wrote: This has been stated many many times in the forums since last fall. Ted Turner sold a majority of his shares to the French company Metaboli, who now is the majority shareholder. I guess you could blame Ted Turner for selling Gametap. He probably sold it because it wasn't making money. Metaboli just made it worse. Actually that was never stated, because Ted Turner has had absolutely nothing to do with Gametap. He stepped down as Vice Chairman of Time Warner in 2006 and doesn't have much to do with the company these days. Turner Broadcasting did own Gametap, but Ted Turner the person didn't.

Microsoft the company owns Windows, but Bill Gates the person does not.

Apple the company owns the imac and iphone and itunes, but Steve Jobs, despite owning a ton of shares in the company and is president, does not.

Trump enterprises owns several casinos, but Donald Trump the person does not.

Saying Ted Turner the person never owned a stake in gametap is about the most ridiculous thing I've heard other than everything suggested in the support forums here. Now if you were to say Ted Turner was RUNNING or was somehow influencing day to day operations of Gametap at any point, THAT would be a fabrication.

You're missing the point though. The point was (although he own shares in TWC, which tickles down to shares in GT) that he really had no say in any of the business decisions going on here. Thus people implicating him as some guy who dumped all his stock in GT on Metaboli is a bit obtruse. There's a big difference between being a stock holder and being in control of all the business decisions. Warren buffet owns a lot of stock, he tends to leave the actual business decisions to other people though.
Gates (to use your own example) doesn't do much with MS business anymore either.

tsrblke2 wrote: You're missing the point though. The point was (although he own shares in TWC, which tickles down to shares in GT) that he really had no say in any of the business decisions going on here. Thus people implicating him as some guy who dumped all his stock in GT on Metaboli is a bit obtruse. There's a big difference between being a stock holder and being in control of all the business decisions. Warren buffet owns a lot of stock, he tends to leave the actual business decisions to other people though. Gates (to use your own example) doesn't do much with MS business anymore either.

That was a joke about Gates right? Because if that was a serious statement/opinion we can't really continue this discussion.

Ted Turner, Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, Rupert Murdoch...some would say Donald Trump (though I'm not one of them): these are guys that although are not involved in every minute aspect of every business they own large portions of, make their presence known and influence these businesses greatly. What I took from the original post in this thread was that Ted Turner at one point owned a large stake in the company and at some point sold that stake. I'd venture to say he did so turning a profit and did it at the right time. Gametap has never been a huge money maker if it even turned a profit at all, and is a company that has to be in the right hands for it to succeed. Although I don't agree that Ted Turner himself "dumped" gametap when he thought it was going south, I am absolutely positive that Turner broadcasting the company realized they were not the right company to grow Gametap and bailed, turning it over to a similar company with success in this type of market.

http://www.metaboli.co.uk/howItWorks.html

I guess what is confusing is Metaboli already has a working web based player, why is gametap's player so filled with bugs

confusing question two why are games that are working on Metaboli's UK site still in testing on Gametap. now according to the site:

What's the difference between the Collections?
- New games are first added to the Ultimate Collection.
- After a few months they’re added to the Essential Collection

Rise of Nations and Age of Mythology are already in the Essentials Collection. which would imply they have been playing them for months.

what is the major difference? the number of games, but that has mostly do to the older dos, atari, arcade classics, c64, dreamcast games that we have. they also seem to have quite a longer list of more current games. Hope we see some of those at some point. Roller Coaster Tycoon 3, Zoo Tycoon 2, Silent Hunter 4, empire earth 3, assassins creed, rainbow six vegas 2, okay my fingers are getting tired lets just say losts more...

i would be interested to read their forums to see what kind of problems they have.

they pay like 12.95 (like $21US) a month for ultimate. so gametap still the better deal???

Our libraries use similar but different encryption schemes and different players. There are contractual considerations as well in regards to regional rights.

The inner-working of the old GameTap player are still intact in GameTapWebPlayer.exe and the web layer was made by Metaboli to talk to the player.

looking back maybe that wasnt the best course of action. If a web player was the choice a smooth player would of been preferred. dont get me wrong i like gametap, just frustrating when you click your game page and its blank (little green circle never comes) or you click a game you have downloaded and played many times and it says error cant download. I do appreciate the sub accounts be up. it does still confound me to think that a stable web platform was up and working owned by the parent company, and either they or someone at gametap wanted what we have now instead.

can someone in the US join metaboli.co.uk? i dont see it anywhere in the terms of service.

Lab721 wrote: can someone in the US join metaboli.co.uk? i dont see it anywhere in the terms of service.

You cannot.

Lab721 wrote: it does still confound me to think that a stable web platform was up and working owned by the parent company, and either they or someone at gametap wanted what we have now instead.

If Gametap were to be completely dumped out and rebuilt, then that probably would've been what happened, but Metaboli had to figure out a way to make their infrastructure work with the existing encryption technologies that Gametap's used the past couple of years.

PC because like in the Mac commercial, he says says that he has headache giving problems, error yadada etc. and GT is not compatible with native mac mac OS X

bryteco wrote: This has been stated many many times in the forums since last fall. Ted Turner sold a majority of his shares to the French company Metaboli, who now is the majority shareholder. I guess you could blame Ted Turner for selling Gametap. He probably sold it because it wasn't making money. Metaboli just made it worse.

AHHHH The French....no wonder....

macnbc wrote: Lab721 wrote: it does still confound me to think that a stable web platform was up and working owned by the parent company, and either they or someone at gametap wanted what we have now instead. If Gametap were to be completely dumped out and rebuilt, then that probably would've been what happened, but Metaboli had to figure out a way to make their infrastructure work with the existing encryption technologies that Gametap's used the past couple of years.

That's great and all Pierre but when IS IT going to work?

macnbc wrote: Lab721 wrote: it does still confound me to think that a stable web platform was up and working owned by the parent company, and either they or someone at gametap wanted what we have now instead. If Gametap were to be completely dumped out and rebuilt, then that probably would've been what happened, but Metaboli had to figure out a way to make their infrastructure work with the existing encryption technologies that Gametap's used the past couple of years.

Also, pretty ingenious to make your testers pay you not the other way around.....you irritate me, and so does your avatar...btw...will it EVER work?

P.s. Nice "support" also.....
P.p.s I'll take the Ferris Wheel over the eiffel tower ANYDAY