hey yall i just wondered if anyone would like to use this thread to discuss wwe, tna, or ecw halla halla playas
we can discuss bout managers, superstars, matches, anything related to this subject halla

You know wrestling is fake right? It's like a soap opera with big sweaty men grabbing each other all day.

Which is fine if you are into that sort of thing, I guess.

Au contraire, mon fr

Not so dude, I use to do side work with a friend of mine, he was a key grip for wwf. Granted it's not all fake but they do work off a basic script.

Yes, it may be scripted, but they are still athletes of a sort. They have to stay in tremendous physical shape, they are strong, agile, and have great stamina. And for the ladies out there, some of them aren't too bad for the eyes, if you get my drift.

Don't forget that the hits still hurt, scripted or not.

I'm just saying it's hard to call it a real fight when someone behind the scenes knows who the winner is before thr fight begins.

heh i can remeber mike foley telling us at spring break (many mnay years ago) that he wasn't coming back with us, he was staying and joining the wwf, damn why didn't i go with!

OMG! Guys, i just heard that the new Batman movie is FAKE! It turns out that they were just following a script. None of it was real. Im never going to watch another Batman movie again.

> {quote:title=NinjaPirate119 wrote:}{quote}
> Don't forget that the hits still hurt, scripted or not.
yah no kidding look what happened to brother ray, he got beaten down so bad by kurt angle and his team he calls the mofia
in tna

Word of advice, never talk pro wrestling on a video game discussion message board. It never ends well, I should know, I end up being "that wrestling guy" because of it. Not to mention, most gamers are D & D fans that hate pro wrestling because the free will of the wrestlers ruin the concept the Dungeon Master known as the head booker lays out for the wrestlers to do.

It the reason why the owners of this service dumped their pro wrestling promotion like a bad habit, when they had the chance to. You can learn more about this interesting concept when the movie "The Wrestler" plays at a theater near you :D.

> {quote:title=BurnedToast wrote:}{quote}
> You know wrestling is fake right? It's like a soap opera with big sweaty men grabbing each other all day.
>
> Which is fine if you are into that sort of thing, I guess.

MMA is the same, to me. Yuck.

You wouldn't be saying that if you knew how much MMA dominated Japan from the mid-90s, until about two years ago. What am I saying, Americans can't figure out the sophistication of sports such as kick boxing (which up until the finals of the 2008 K-1 GP, I was becoming a big fan of once again) and soccer (or as it's known in Europe, real football. I got nothing against American football, but IMO, soccer just has more history behind it), so why bother trying to explain why Japan gives us such video games as Virtua Fighter and Street Fighter, when North America gives us Mortal Kombat.

The comparison right there should show you where North America's fight IQ is, compared to the rest of the world. The Dutch churn out insane kick boxers that could easily kill you right where you stand, while the typical American fighter is going "DUUURRR, I like the part where that one dude rips the other dude's head off [b]drools[/b]", or "I don't want to fight the guy in white pajamas in my underwear". Let's also not forget that the United States has given combat sports such great athletes like Butterbean, Tank Abbott, and Kimbo Slice. Nothing against them, but there's your world class street fighter right there.

That's why I can't really pull myself into such a discussion, just know that America doesn't take fighting seriously enough :D.

Oh, but this is a thread about wrestling discussion. Discuss this, ECW is dead, and being a fan of the original product, I just can't accept this insult of a product that is WWE's third brand.

TNA just plain sucks, I think the US government classified forcing someone to watch two hours of TNA Impact as cruel and unusual punishment, and banned it from being a legal torture method.

And WWE, well, they're WWE. Royal Rumble's cool, Wrestlemania's cool, maybe throw in the Survivor Series and Summerslam, but the rest of the year for them usually sucks, IMO.

Most of the BS that happens in wrestling during the year is why people stop watching it. Why sit through crap, when there are other things to do with your life?

> {quote:title=1000Cent wrote:}{quote}
> You wouldn't be saying that if you knew how much MMA dominated Japan from the mid-90s, until about two years ago. What am I saying, Americans can't figure out the sophistication of sports such as kick boxing (which up until the finals of the 2008 K-1 GP, I was becoming a big fan of once again) and soccer (or as it's known in Europe, real football. I got nothing against American football, but IMO, soccer just has more history behind it), so why bother trying to explain why Japan gives us such video games as Virtua Fighter and Street Fighter, when North America gives us Mortal Kombat.
>
> The comparison right there should show you where North America's fight IQ is, compared to the rest of the world. The Dutch churn out insane kick boxers that could easily kill you right where you stand, while the typical American fighter is going "DUUURRR, I like the part where that one dude rips the other dude's head off [b]drools[/b]", or "I don't want to fight the guy in white pajamas in my underwear". Let's also not forget that the United States has given combat sports such great athletes like Butterbean, Tank Abbott, and Kimbo Slice. Nothing against them, but there's your world class street fighter right there.
>
> That's why I can't really pull myself into such a discussion, just know that America doesn't take fighting seriously enough :D.
>
> Oh, but this is a thread about wrestling discussion. Discuss this, ECW is dead, and being a fan of the original product, I just can't accept this insult of a product that is WWE's third brand.
>
> TNA just plain sucks, I think the US government classified forcing someone to watch two hours of TNA Impact as cruel and unusual punishment, and banned it from being a legal torture method.
>
> And WWE, well, they're WWE. Royal Rumble's cool, Wrestlemania's cool, maybe throw in the Survivor Series and Summerslam, but the rest of the year for them usually sucks, IMO.
>
> Most of the BS that happens in wrestling during the year is why people stop watching it. Why sit through crap, when there are other things to do with your life?

Wow, you argued that straw man right into a corner.

Aww man! Now this thread is going to go all to hell.

> {quote:title=LittlestCthulhu wrote:}{quote}
> > {quote:title=1000Cent wrote:}{quote}
> > You wouldn't be saying that if you knew how much MMA dominated Japan from the mid-90s, until about two years ago. What am I saying, Americans can't figure out the sophistication of sports such as kick boxing (which up until the finals of the 2008 K-1 GP, I was becoming a big fan of once again) and soccer (or as it's known in Europe, real football. I got nothing against American football, but IMO, soccer just has more history behind it), so why bother trying to explain why Japan gives us such video games as Virtua Fighter and Street Fighter, when North America gives us Mortal Kombat.
> >
> > The comparison right there should show you where North America's fight IQ is, compared to the rest of the world. The Dutch churn out insane kick boxers that could easily kill you right where you stand, while the typical American fighter is going "DUUURRR, I like the part where that one dude rips the other dude's head off [b]drools[/b]", or "I don't want to fight the guy in white pajamas in my underwear". Let's also not forget that the United States has given combat sports such great athletes like Butterbean, Tank Abbott, and Kimbo Slice. Nothing against them, but there's your world class street fighter right there.
> >
> > That's why I can't really pull myself into such a discussion, just know that America doesn't take fighting seriously enough :D.
> >
> > Oh, but this is a thread about wrestling discussion. Discuss this, ECW is dead, and being a fan of the original product, I just can't accept this insult of a product that is WWE's third brand.
> >
> > TNA just plain sucks, I think the US government classified forcing someone to watch two hours of TNA Impact as cruel and unusual punishment, and banned it from being a legal torture method.
> >
> > And WWE, well, they're WWE. Royal Rumble's cool, Wrestlemania's cool, maybe throw in the Survivor Series and Summerslam, but the rest of the year for them usually sucks, IMO.
> >
> > Most of the BS that happens in wrestling during the year is why people stop watching it. Why sit through crap, when there are other things to do with your life?
>
> Wow, you argued that straw man right into a corner.

I don't know how far I can go without getting a warning from the staff, but if AOL Time Warner can look over Chikara Pro without giving them a TV deal on one of their networks, then pro wrestling in North America (non-WWE of course...but they want to be known as Entertainers, not wrestlers :D ) is dead. But then again, if I was in charge of network programming when they had WCW, I would have gotten rid of all pro wrestling programming and sold the promotion to WWE for $1 million too. People have written books on the death of WCW, yet TNA still makes the same mistakes (TNA will show them Internet marks, by repeating history, and failing yet again), I can't feel bad about that.

And with the Japanese TV station, NTV cancelling the NOAH wrestling promotion, after having pro wrestling on their network for over 50 years (according to the Wrestling Observer), pro wrestling world wide is pretty much done. In one way or another, it will still be around, like the roller derby, monster truck pulls, and all of the other red neck past times, but not on the mainstream level it once was 10 or so years ago.

Sure, Mexico has AAA and CMLL, but will one of those promotions ever make an impact in the United States? Seeing how people who saw the movie "Nacho Libre" didn't go looking for any real lucha libre makes me think it will be years before they can get into mainstream America. If anything, they are afraid, WWE could kill their business in Mexico, which for many reasons, is a shame.

Pro wrestling for all intensive purposes, is that geek thing right now, that even Live Action Role-Players and Cos-players can look at and laugh at maniacally, and say to themselves, "at least I'm not that guy". It stinks that that's the way my mind is as a long time wrestling fan, but then again that's "the business".

I have no idea what you're talking about.

> {quote:title=LittlestCthulhu wrote:}{quote}
> I have no idea what you're talking about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHIKARA_Pro

The footage of the Kaiju wrestlers you posted was from that promotion. As far as I know, talking to someone who allegedly works for Kaiju on another board, this current incarnation of Kaiju was a feeder promotion for CHIKARA, pretty much up until Chikara stopped using the Kaiju workers on their shows. From an Independent promotion standpoint, CHIKARA Pro is the closest promotion to matching the Kaiju style (if they have a style), but IMO, Kaiju burned a lot of bridges from making it clear to their fan base that they are not pro wrestling.

This "elite" attitude Kaiju has had in some ways angers wrestling fans. Maybe not to the levels of say Insane Clown Posse's "Juggalo Championshit Wrestling", but it's mentality of looking down at "grown men rolling around in their underwear", has made purists of the business look at Kaiju Big Battel as backyard wrestlers wrestling in Halloween costumes. But because the gimmicks in Kaiju are wacky, and CHIKARA specializes in the wacky (and very good at it, mind you, they got Philadelphia wrestling fans to cheer for Glacier, a man how would have gotten booed out of the ECW arena 10 years ago, and razzed with "Sub-Zero" chants on the way out), they gave the Kaiju kids a shot, and they won some fans over. This is why you still see some of Kaiju's best gimmicks working in CHIKARA.

The main problem is, between the preconceived notions of pro wrestling, even with it's more "family friendly" product, CHIKARA Pro has never been given a chance by TV executives. And luckily enough for Independent wrestling fans, CHIKARA has made enough money off DVD sales and various merchandise off of their website (and not to mention the fan following of CHIKARA's Podcast-A-Go-Go, which can be seen on iTunes and Youtube) CHIKARA has generated a cult-like fan following that keeps the promotion going. Well, that, and CHKARA's founder, Mike Quackenbush isn't really a fan of some of the stuff WWE does to gain fans, so it does offer that alternative product that people wish TNA offered, IMO.

Tired of reading...That's the problem with professional wrestling IMO. WWE is so far, head and shoulders, above everyone else, that you either have two choices if you hate their product. One, you either stop watching pro wrestling, and find other things to do. Or, Two, you spend way too much time and effort, IMO, and find a product that offers a completely different spin on professional wrestling.

Normal people usually opt for option One. Again, people complain about the crap WWE shills on it's audience, but there is worse crap you have to sift through before you find a gem or two :D.

I still don't think I have any idea what you're talking about??

> {quote:title=520az_baby wrote:}{quote}
> I still don't think I have any idea what you're talking about??

Yeah, too many years of wrestling information trapped in my head. It's like creating an all purpose anime thread and having a hardcore fan try to explain the history of cartoons.

And pro wrestling has such annoying stereotypes connected to it, that to sit then and explain it all really doesn't benefit anyone. I should know, it makes me go insane at work just to think about wrestling, and how everything is within the business.

That, and even though, I have read a ton of books on the subject, I just suck at explaining things. If I didn't I probably would be writing newsletters, fan fics, or possibly fiction books :D.

Just saying, given the choice between watching grown men dressing up in halloween costumes and rolling around in their underwear, or let's say "The Weather Channel", I'd choose the weather channel.

If it was grown women doing it, though, I would DVR it. Haven't seen that product on tv, yet. Chuck Norris' MMA ripoff thing comes close, though. Gladiators even closer. GO CRUSH!

> {quote:title=MobiusArcher wrote:}{quote}
> Aww man! Now this thread is going to go all to hell.
Looks like im going to have to retract this statement. The GameTap forums are definitely not your average forums.

Im not real big into watching wrestling or any other sport. When i do watch it, i really enjoy it. I like King Booker because he comes out acting all kingly and noble, while everyone else comes out all yelling and growling.

> {quote:title=mmmyeahright wrote:}{quote}
> Just saying, given the choice between watching grown men dressing up in halloween costumes and rolling around in their underwear, or let's say "The Weather Channel", I'd choose the weather channel.
>
> If it was grown women doing it, though, I would DVR it. Haven't seen that product on tv, yet. Chuck Norris' MMA ripoff thing comes close, though. Gladiators even closer. GO CRUSH!

Yeah, I can't blame you for that, I was watching wrestling more closely at a different time during the mid-late 90s, where not only was WWE becoming the cool thing to watch, but WCW had their act together with the nWo, UFC was changing everyone's opinion of fighting, it's theories, and how it's practiced, and Independent Wrestling promotions and kids in their backyards were tearing each other up with barb-wire, thumbtacks, and light tubes. Grown men in their underwear was the last thing on my mind. But the void left from 80's slasher films was replaced with grown men trying to kill each other for a shiny gold belt (think Lord of the Rings, but more blood and guts).

Oh, and drunk Philadelphia sports fans were telling wrestlers what they wanted to see in the ring by showing them the same hospitality they showed Santa Claus many years earlier. From the tapes and syndication show (which aired in my area at 3 am on a Friday night-Saturday morning) that I saw of ECW, it was cool because it literally reminded me of something straight out of Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome. When they were using Singapore Canes and baseball bats in matches and wrestlers were selling weapons shots like they were shot with a gun, it was a very interesting program to watch. Hind sight is always 20/20, and seeing the heavily edited version of ECW that is shown on WWE 24/7 doesn't even come close to recreating the atmosphere that promotion brought to the table at the time. IMO, ECW (which they took their style from the Japanese "Death Match" style of wrestling in FMW and IWA Japan) was the personification of violence in North American pro wrestling. Looking back at it, I probably am a sick individual for finding entertainment in watching grown men cut each other up and bleed all over the place, and get thrown off of high scaffolds. Maybe at 16 years-old, and being half asleep, watching ECW was like watching a live action Mortal Kombat in a run down Bingo Hall...

Come to think of it, go on Gametap and download 3 Count Bout from the Neo-Geo section, and you might get a little taste of what the original ECW style was, just felt like mentioning that.

And while you had just straight over the top violent acts like New Jack, the Dudley Boys, and Axel Rotten spilling blood all over the place, and breaking anything that wasn't nailed down, ECW would also be the home at times of some of the best technical wrestlers in the world. Like for instance Rey Mysterio Jr., Eddy Guerrero, Dean Milenko, 2 Cold Scorpio, Taz, Chris Jericho, and way too many to mention in this single post. History can say what it wants about Paul Heyman, but at the end of the day, through the lack of budget ECW had, and all of the talent raids WWE and WCW did, ECW would still somehow put together a solid product for years. IMO, the original ECW is a part of wrestling history that is lost on TNA and WWE, hence why pro wrestling is what it is (there's that cliche again) IMO.

Speaking of Heyman, if you have some free time on your hands, here's a recent interview that Live Audio Wrestling did with him:

http://www.thefightnetwork.com/assets/Downloads/124/LAW-PAUL-HEYMAN-DEC2008.mp3

IMO, it sums up a lot of the problems with pro wrestling, and why IMO, pro wrestling can't find their audience right now.

no it dosent i us to play kickboxing for girls &boxing for girls

> {quote:title=jpoohbear20 wrote:}{quote}
> no it dosent i us to play kickboxing for girls &boxing for girls

???

So, did you turn pro?

Speaking from experience, bumps suck, but strikes cause brain damage :D.